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Relative of R-U106 R-P311

By contrast, the subclade R-P311 appears to have originated after the beginning of the Neolithic Revolution in Europe, and is substantially confined to Western Europe in modern populations. R-P311 is absent from Neolithic-era ancient DNA found in Western Europe, strongly suggesting that its current distribution is due to population movements within Europe taking place after the end of the Neolithic. The three major subclades of P311 are U106 (S21), L21 (M529, S145), and U152 (S28). These show a clear articulation within Western Europe, with centers in the Low Countries, the British Isles and the Alps, respectively.[10]


https://gap.familytreedna.com/media/docs/2013/Hammer_M269_Diversity_in_Europe.pdf

RB - maternal line: A2

A2

  • Native, Beringian Founder Haplogroup – 2008 Achilli
  • Hispanic American – 2008 Just
  • Mexican – 2007 Peñaloza-Espinosa
  • Mexican, Achilli, 2008
  • Eskimo – Volodko, 2008
  • Dogrib – Eskimo – Volodko, 2008
  • Apache – Volodko, 2008
  • Mexico and Central America – Eskimo – Volodko, 2008
  • Apache – Volodko, 2008
  • Ache and Guarani/Rio-das-Cobras and Katuana and Poturujara and Surui and Waiwai and Yanomama and Zoro – Fagundes 2008
  • Waiwai, Brazil, Zoro, Brazil, Surui, Brazil, Yanomama, Brazil, Kayapo, Brazil, Arsario, Colombia, Cayapa, Ecuador, Kogui, Colombia – Fagundes 2008
  • Arsario and Cayapa – Tamm 2007
  • Kogui – Tamm 2007
  • Colombia – Hartmann 2009
  • Waorani tribe, Ecuador – Cardoso 2012
  • Anzick Provisional Extract, Estes January 2015 – (192 A2s with no subgroup),
  • Inupiat people from Alaska North Slope – Raff 2015
  • Ancient remains from Lauricocha cave central Andean highlands – Fehren-Schmitz 2015
  • Gran Chaco, Argentina – Sevini 2014
  • Chumash – Breschini and Haversat 2008
  • New Native American Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups, Estes, 2017
  • Wari Culture, Huaca Pucllana, Peru – Llamas, 2016
  • Lima Culture, Huaca Pucllana, Peru – Llamas, 2016
  • Chancay culture, Pasamayo, Peru – Llamas, 2016
  • Lauricocha culture, Lauricocha, Peru – Llamas, 2016
  • Tiwanaku culture, Lauricocha, Peru – Llamas, 2016
FB - maternal line:

C1

  • Native – 2008 Achilli, 2007 Tamm
  • Mexican – 2007 Peñaloza-Espinosa, Kumar 2011
  • Poturujara – Fagundes 2008
  • Hispanic American – Just 2008
  • Arara do Laranjal and Quechua and Yanomama and Waiwai and Zoro – Fagundes 2008
  • Waiwai, Brazil, Zoro, Brazil, Quechua, Bolivia, Arara, Brazil, Poturujara, Brazil – Fagundes 2008
  • Native American – Mishmar 2003
  • Warao – Ingman 2000
  • Anzick Provisional Extract, Estes January 2015 – (25 C1 with no subgroup)
  • Remains from Wizard’s Beach in Nevada– Chatters, 2015
  • Aymara, Atacameno, Mapuche, Huilliche, Kawesqar, Mapuche, Teheulche and Yamana in Chile and Argentina, South America – de Saint Pierre, 2012
  • New Native American Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups, Estes, 2017
  • Tiwanaku culture, Tiwanaku, Bolivia – Llamas, 2016

Paternal link

Is R1b-L151 from Neolithic West Europe?

A paper was published yesterday with genomes of people who lived in El Portalón cave in the Atapuerca Spain. between 3500 and 1500 BC(Ancient genomes link early farmers from Atapuerca in Spain to modern-day Basques). Their DNA data is publicly available and Geneticker analysed it, here are the results he got.

I added the results to my spreadsheet: Ancient West Eurasian Y DNA

3/4(I2a2a, H2) have typical Neolithic lineages which are unheard of in Iberia and rare everywhere in Europe today. But the oldest individual(ATP3) looks like he had R1b1a2, the most popular lineage in West Europe today. Others are going to analyse ATP3's Y DNA to confirm or disprove the results Geneticker got. 

Assuming ATP3 had R1b1a2: If R1b1a2a1a-L151 arrived from East Europe around 2800 BC, how do we explain R1b1a2 in Spain in 3500 BC? I guess it could be a lone R1b1a2 lineage that made it to Iberia and died out. 

It could also be ancestral to modern R1b1a2a1a-L151 and our age estimates for it are just way off. Maybe R1b1a2a-L23 originated somewhere in East Europe or West Asia, and one branch made it's way to Europe remained a very rare lineage for several millennial and by luck and founder effects became popular. 

In my opinion either ATP3 didn't have R1b1a2 or his R1b1a2-lineage died out. An origin in East Europe for R1b1a2a1a-L151 still makes the most sense to me.
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